Galadriel(Thu, 20th Mar 2008 10:09:39am)
heya wats the URL add for BMGC webpage?
heya wats the URL add for BMGC webpage?
ah pek(Wed, 16th May 2007 10:43:46pm)
thx for all the reply..posted another Q
thx for all the reply..posted another Q
martianunlimited(Wed, 16th May 2007 9:51:59am)
I am disabling random posting. I was hoping it won't come to this, but enough is enough...
I am disabling random posting. I was hoping it won't come to this, but enough is enough...
Galadriel(Mon, 14th May 2007 4:20:03am)
Alot of spamning in the forum.. >.
Alot of spamning in the forum.. >.
ah pek(Thu, 26th Apr 2007 1:43:08am)
Posted a question..do reply when free!!
Posted a question..do reply when free!!
Jack(Wed, 7th Mar 2007 8:48:43am)
Nice meeting u too Dave! Welcome to our humble forum. Enjoy urself, look forward to your spicy inputs here.
Nice meeting u too Dave! Welcome to our humble forum. Enjoy urself, look forward to your spicy inputs here.
Dave(Sat, 24th Feb 2007 1:00:24pm)
Nice to meet u after so long in batu feringghi, penang is beautiful
Nice to meet u after so long in batu feringghi, penang is beautiful
martianunlimited(Thu, 15th Feb 2007 9:28:50pm)
I posted something about love in the forums, for V-day, but not in that sense that most people would think about, *warning: sensitive issue* If you don't think i am blespheming or speaking heresies, i can expand it further and post it on the main page
I posted something about love in the forums, for V-day, but not in that sense that most people would think about, *warning: sensitive issue* If you don't think i am blespheming or speaking heresies, i can expand it further and post it on the main page
Jack(Wed, 14th Feb 2007 10:20:18am)
Guys, sorry i have been bz...need your prayer support for strength...hehehe...BTW, since this it is valentine season, check out some love poem i wrote jack.civiblog.org I actually intended to write 10 poem by Vday, but looks like i am gonna miss the due date.
Guys, sorry i have been bz...need your prayer support for strength...hehehe...BTW, since this it is valentine season, check out some love poem i wrote jack.civiblog.org I actually intended to write 10 poem by Vday, but looks like i am gonna miss the due date.
LeonKJ(Wed, 31st Jan 2007 8:55:20am)
Good content, bad layout man.
Good content, bad layout man.
Jack(Thu, 18th Jan 2007 10:03:11am)
Superb...thanks Martian. We'll work out bits by bits, all these are experimentations. To the rest, let's all chip in to help in whatever ways possible. Don't only have Martian do everything for us. Give ideas, offer to help in design etc.
Superb...thanks Martian. We'll work out bits by bits, all these are experimentations. To the rest, let's all chip in to help in whatever ways possible. Don't only have Martian do everything for us. Give ideas, offer to help in design etc.
Galadriel(Tue, 16th Jan 2007 3:02:37am)
Thanks! but i dunno how 2 activate it...
Thanks! but i dunno how 2 activate it...
martianunlimited(Sun, 14th Jan 2007 1:53:12pm)
Jack, you are now known as jack.
Galadriel: your account is already ready, i don't know your password though, i can reset it if you want.
Jack, you are now known as jack.
Galadriel: your account is already ready, i don't know your password though, i can reset it if you want.
martianunlimited(Sun, 14th Jan 2007 1:42:22pm)
Fixed the layout a little. Me thinks it looks better now.
Fixed the layout a little. Me thinks it looks better now.
martianunlimited(Sun, 14th Jan 2007 12:37:29pm)
Hehe.. because its not meant to have a place to put email... (no emails will be sent anyway).
Initially this was meant to be for a small community, so there was no formal approval process. (I will modify the database manually) If the direction changes, I will modify the codes accordingly
Hehe.. because its not meant to have a place to put email... (no emails will be sent anyway).
Initially this was meant to be for a small community, so there was no formal approval process. (I will modify the database manually) If the direction changes, I will modify the codes accordingly
Galadriel(Sat, 13th Jan 2007 11:04:24am)
error in de register thingo.... no place 4 emails
error in de register thingo.... no place 4 emails
Jack(Tue, 9th Jan 2007 10:05:13am)
I think it's better to register our forum-users and get a valid email.
I think it's better to register our forum-users and get a valid email.
martianunlimited(Wed, 3rd Jan 2007 11:46:46pm)
Oops... That's the problem with C&P-ing. It should be "activated" already. (let me check it with the database).
P/S in view of the spirit of keeping this site open to all... guest forum posting is allowed (but not extensabily tested)
Oops... That's the problem with C&P-ing. It should be "activated" already. (let me check it with the database).
P/S in view of the spirit of keeping this site open to all... guest forum posting is allowed (but not extensabily tested)
ah pek(Wed, 3rd Jan 2007 11:34:25pm)
how long does your registration approval gonna take? fyi, there is no field to fill in my email address so I dont't think I will be receiving any activation URL frm ur side
how long does your registration approval gonna take? fyi, there is no field to fill in my email address so I dont't think I will be receiving any activation URL frm ur side
Galadriel(Tue, 2nd Jan 2007 8:03:13am)
Great!! a new forum. way to go!!
Great!! a new forum. way to go!!
martianunlimited(Tue, 2nd Jan 2007 12:36:50am)
^^^ look above, a new year's present
^^^ look above, a new year's present
Jeremiah(Sat, 30th Dec 2006 8:23:26am)
I agree with the Slumbering People, the church is guilty of a crime if she is silent about it. Alas, how many bonhoeffers we can produce?? How long shall we hide behind our stone cold cathedrals while evil flourish in the world?
I agree with the Slumbering People, the church is guilty of a crime if she is silent about it. Alas, how many bonhoeffers we can produce?? How long shall we hide behind our stone cold cathedrals while evil flourish in the world?
martianunlimited(Sat, 30th Dec 2006 1:46:15am)
Gimme a week, I can start a forum for this, (Ya.. a 200px x 300px shout box isn't condusive for a discussion like this)
My 2 cents, Corinthians appear to imply that our Pentacostal brothers are not using the gift of tongues correctly. Hence is that a gift from God or from the devil? I wouldn't dare to judge. (context: blesphemy against the Holy Spirit) Do we dare claim we are doing everything correctly and to the letter (of the Word)? I wouldn't dare say yes. Does it really matter? (I was out of my mind when i type this) Not really.
Modern day Pharisee would claim, we gave bigger tithes, we prayed more, we broke bread more, our women wear veil, our songs are more spiritual, our youths are more fired up for God, but what did the vision of St John had of the Church in Ephesus? They did everything right... but they lost their first love.
I'd rather churches focus on their devotion to God and their responsibility to the community around them. then to argue on minor doctrinal things. Obediences to whatever practice will come naturally as the members are convicted to do so.
Ah Pek, what do you think, what do you feel should be the primary focus of the churches?
p/s Jack's right.. silent meditation = focusing your mind on God/Christ not emptying your mind of everything.
Gimme a week, I can start a forum for this, (Ya.. a 200px x 300px shout box isn't condusive for a discussion like this)
My 2 cents, Corinthians appear to imply that our Pentacostal brothers are not using the gift of tongues correctly. Hence is that a gift from God or from the devil? I wouldn't dare to judge. (context: blesphemy against the Holy Spirit) Do we dare claim we are doing everything correctly and to the letter (of the Word)? I wouldn't dare say yes. Does it really matter? (I was out of my mind when i type this) Not really.
Modern day Pharisee would claim, we gave bigger tithes, we prayed more, we broke bread more, our women wear veil, our songs are more spiritual, our youths are more fired up for God, but what did the vision of St John had of the Church in Ephesus? They did everything right... but they lost their first love.
I'd rather churches focus on their devotion to God and their responsibility to the community around them. then to argue on minor doctrinal things. Obediences to whatever practice will come naturally as the members are convicted to do so.
Ah Pek, what do you think, what do you feel should be the primary focus of the churches?
p/s Jack's right.. silent meditation = focusing your mind on God/Christ not emptying your mind of everything.
Jack(Sat, 30th Dec 2006 12:51:29am)
Sounds good ah pek. My ex roomie from Uni is also called ah pek. So there's a warm affinity when we communicate and i don't feel at all offended. There'll shan't be questions too "bad" to ask so long as it's not rude and vulgar.
It's always humbling to graple with doubts and questions because it only reminds us that we are humans.
Holy - this is actually another way of saying "utterly different". God is holy, god is the utterly dffierent One from his Creation. It is not only moral perfection, but also all the notions of justice, righteousness, glory etc.
We believe in a god who is three in persons and the third person (the first, second, third declension has nothing to do with status) is called God the Spirit. Since it's god, we call him holy. therefore Holy Spirit.
How do we know Holy Spirit from evil spirit? One very good test is that no evil spirit will glorify Jesus as Lord, at least not now (the bible did say that one day, every knees shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord). And as I have mentioned, there will be fruit of the spirit which is the outward manifestation of an inward change of heart by god's spirit.
And of course, god being our loving Father will not give us a snake if we ask for a fish. If we ask for Holy Spirit, he will not give us a crazy spirit.
The HS though indwelling believers will never take absolute possession of the believers (or at least very very rare i guess), so a sincere spirit-filled christian may be influenced by other factors to speak in gibberish langugage thinking he is speaking in what the bible called "tongue". Opinions differ whether miracles still occur today, I for one blive in miracles, but i do not blive that the tongue spoken in New Testatment churches are gibberish languages, non-human words or meaningless noises. So I believe my charismatic/pentecostal brothers and sisters are sincerely mistaken in this sense.
Also silent meditation is different from "emptying your mind meditation". Silent means, everyone shuts up. what transpire in the mind, i dunno..hehehe... but there are more to eastern meditation than the comments by christians on them. I am an amateur student of eastern religion and thoughts and i appreciate a lot of points in our eastern culture.
But I think if we look beyond the surfacial issue of speaking in tongue, we will really see the meaning of Pentecost - YHWH reversing Babel! While in Babel god confused the languages of the people, causing discord and chaos, in Jesus Christ, god unite and reconcile the Church (symbolizing his ppl in the world) not by taking away their confused languages, but by enabling them to speak with one mind proclaiming the same Lord. This was his plan from begining, a people for himself.
Galadriel is right, we need a forum, this space is too small...i can barely read what i wrote up there... Martian, what think you?
Sounds good ah pek. My ex roomie from Uni is also called ah pek. So there's a warm affinity when we communicate and i don't feel at all offended. There'll shan't be questions too "bad" to ask so long as it's not rude and vulgar.
It's always humbling to graple with doubts and questions because it only reminds us that we are humans.
Holy - this is actually another way of saying "utterly different". God is holy, god is the utterly dffierent One from his Creation. It is not only moral perfection, but also all the notions of justice, righteousness, glory etc.
We believe in a god who is three in persons and the third person (the first, second, third declension has nothing to do with status) is called God the Spirit. Since it's god, we call him holy. therefore Holy Spirit.
How do we know Holy Spirit from evil spirit? One very good test is that no evil spirit will glorify Jesus as Lord, at least not now (the bible did say that one day, every knees shall bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord). And as I have mentioned, there will be fruit of the spirit which is the outward manifestation of an inward change of heart by god's spirit.
And of course, god being our loving Father will not give us a snake if we ask for a fish. If we ask for Holy Spirit, he will not give us a crazy spirit.
The HS though indwelling believers will never take absolute possession of the believers (or at least very very rare i guess), so a sincere spirit-filled christian may be influenced by other factors to speak in gibberish langugage thinking he is speaking in what the bible called "tongue". Opinions differ whether miracles still occur today, I for one blive in miracles, but i do not blive that the tongue spoken in New Testatment churches are gibberish languages, non-human words or meaningless noises. So I believe my charismatic/pentecostal brothers and sisters are sincerely mistaken in this sense.
Also silent meditation is different from "emptying your mind meditation". Silent means, everyone shuts up.
what transpire in the mind, i dunno..hehehe... but there are more to eastern meditation than the comments by christians on them. I am an amateur student of eastern religion and thoughts and i appreciate a lot of points in our eastern culture.
But I think if we look beyond the surfacial issue of speaking in tongue, we will really see the meaning of Pentecost - YHWH reversing Babel! While in Babel god confused the languages of the people, causing discord and chaos, in Jesus Christ, god unite and reconcile the Church (symbolizing his ppl in the world) not by taking away their confused languages, but by enabling them to speak with one mind proclaiming the same Lord. This was his plan from begining, a people for himself.
Galadriel is right, we need a forum, this space is too small...i can barely read what i wrote up there...
Martian, what think you?
Galadriel(Sat, 30th Dec 2006 12:38:44am)
Regarding speaking in tongue, We learn then from Scripture that tongues were foreign languages. not those so call 'gibberish sounds u heard from the church u been to. u could learn more of tongue form this web page 'http://allanturner.com/tongues02.html'
Regarding speaking in tongue, We learn then from Scripture that tongues were foreign languages. not those so call 'gibberish sounds u heard from the church u been to. u could learn more of tongue form this web page 'http://allanturner.com/tongues02.html'
Galadriel(Sat, 30th Dec 2006 12:19:42am)
Hey jack, continue like this n we might as well open a forum ledi.There u can talk as much as u like... hahax...
Hey jack, continue like this n we might as well open a forum ledi.There u can talk as much as u like... hahax...
ah pek(Thu, 28th Dec 2006 11:32:22pm)
How do u define a spirit as holy and not otherwise? In one of the reply, there is a mention about silent meditation. Just to take a quote frm one of an ex-occultist "Visualizing, guided imagery, meditation and blanking your mind are excellent ways to invite demons into your life. The demon finds your mind blank and re-enters with seven spirits more evil than itself." I remember going to one of the church & during one of the worship ppl around me starts closing their eyes & making gibberish sound with their hands raising in the air etc. It definitely does not sounds like a language. My questions is were this ppl too were led by the same Holy Spirit jus as what u mention? If yes, then how come you do not practice the give of tongues speaking assuming that it is frm the Holy Spirit (I assume frm your reply that ur church do not practice)?
I hope you guys are not offended by my questions, I meant it in good faith. Juz would like to hv a discussion tats all. My regards to all of u
How do u define a spirit as holy and not otherwise? In one of the reply, there is a mention about silent meditation. Just to take a quote frm one of an ex-occultist "Visualizing, guided imagery, meditation and blanking your mind are excellent ways to invite demons into your life. The demon finds your mind blank and re-enters with seven spirits more evil than itself." I remember going to one of the church & during one of the worship ppl around me starts closing their eyes & making gibberish sound with their hands raising in the air etc. It definitely does not sounds like a language. My questions is were this ppl too were led by the same Holy Spirit jus as what u mention? If yes, then how come you do not practice the give of tongues speaking assuming that it is frm the Holy Spirit (I assume frm your reply that ur church do not practice)?
I hope you guys are not offended by my questions, I meant it in good faith. Juz would like to hv a discussion tats all. My regards to all of u
ah pek(Thu, 28th Dec 2006 10:50:39pm)
Ah pek is a freethinker frm Pg who spends his free time reading topics which are of interest to him. Ah pek got to know this site through a friend.
Ah pek is a freethinker frm Pg who spends his free time reading topics which are of interest to him. Ah pek got to know this site through a friend.
Galadriel(Thu, 28th Dec 2006 12:45:24pm)
Juz like to know a few things from you ah pek..where r u from? what chuch u go to? How do u know of this web? Do reply if possible ^_^
As for your question, its reply by Jack. Hope 2 see ya soon..
Juz like to know a few things from you ah pek..where r u from? what chuch u go to? How do u know of this web? Do reply if possible ^_^
As for your question, its reply by Jack. Hope 2 see ya soon..
Jack(Thu, 28th Dec 2006 11:00:07am)
Practice? I don't quite understand.
But our congregation strongly believes in the Person and ministry of the Holy Spirit.
We believe in the inspiration of the bible by the Holy Spirit, the utter necessity of the Holy Spirit to convict and quicken the sinner's heart of stone, i.e. the regeneration. We believe that regenerated Christians need to be constantly filled with the Holy Spirit as commanded in Ephesians 5
We believe in the fruits of the Holy Spirit which will inevitably manifest in the regenerated believers.
We believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit to empower the Church as opposed to natural talents.
In our worship, we practice "open worship", i.e. letting the Holy Spirit inspire the congregation to share a verse, a hymn, or a msg, or even a moment of silent meditation. The Holy Spirit is our worship leader and guide to honour Jesus, which was His work as taught by Jesus in the gospel.
I don't represent the brethren assembly exhaustively and belief differs on some points, but I guess the above are the main points many of us hold to.
How about introducing yourself, pek? Nice having you drop in.
Practice? I don't quite understand.
But our congregation strongly believes in the Person and ministry of the Holy Spirit.
We believe in the inspiration of the bible by the Holy Spirit, the utter necessity of the Holy Spirit to convict and quicken the sinner's heart of stone, i.e. the regeneration. We believe that regenerated Christians need to be constantly filled with the Holy Spirit as commanded in Ephesians 5
We believe in the fruits of the Holy Spirit which will inevitably manifest in the regenerated believers.
We believe in the gifts of the Holy Spirit to empower the Church as opposed to natural talents.
In our worship, we practice "open worship", i.e. letting the Holy Spirit inspire the congregation to share a verse, a hymn, or a msg, or even a moment of silent meditation. The Holy Spirit is our worship leader and guide to honour Jesus, which was His work as taught by Jesus in the gospel.
I don't represent the brethren assembly exhaustively and belief differs on some points, but I guess the above are the main points many of us hold to.
How about introducing yourself, pek? Nice having you drop in.